Gillian Neish is joined by Sandra Harrison to explore why we are still having to talk about racism, how fear and silence sustain it, and why creating safe, inclusive spaces matters now more than ever.

Together, they discuss how racism is learned and perpetuated, the role of media and stereotypes, and practical ways individuals can challenge racism constructively.

The conversation emphasises shared responsibility, compassion, and the possibility of making real change so that everyone can thrive.